A Hydrogen Generator You Can Build
Build Your Own Water Powered Car
Build Your Own
Hydrogen & Oxygen Generator
- That does not use brute-force electrolysis -
RUN YOUR CAR ON TAP WATER! *
Build a Hydrogen Powered Car
* Water is poured into a container, canister, bottle, whatever, under the hood that has electrodes. There it is separated into hydrogen and oxygen, on demand, when the engine is started, and the hydrogen produced is forced into the engine through the air intake, which may or may not be mixed with gasoline, sprayed in, also. The hydrogen explodes, completely, 100%, not just 10 to 20% like gasoline or diesel. So, right off the bat, your use of water can be about 5 times more efficient than your use of gasoline ever is.
Gasoline, the liquid, does not explode in your engine, either, liquid gasoline, or diesel, is sprayed into the engine. Of that, the small amount that vaporizes, explodes with the force needed to move the pistons and turn the crankshaft. The rest, still a liquid, burned on the surface a little and goes out the tail-pipe as smog: carbon monoxide, soot, - toxic air polution - stuff that poisons us and overheats our planet. Thank you "big oil"! ... If interested, read
How The Oil Co`s First Took Over
A.K.A. The Oil Age That Never Should Have Been
A Better Hydrogen Generator
Instead of brute-force electrolysis, the traditional "sledge-hammer" approach, small, tuned, pulses are generated, like a tuning fork shatters a wine glass, with very little effort, not "free energy", but smart, and elegant, instead of brute-force and crude.
from Stanley Meyer's project:
“The electrodes are vibrated with a 0.5-5A electrical pulse which breaks 2(H2O) => 2H2 + O2. When the pressure reaches say 30-60 psi, you turn the key and go. You step on the pedal, you send more energy to the electrodes, and thus more vapor to the cylinders; i.e. fuel vapor on demand.”from Dave Lawton
"There is a very simple way to doing this WHOLE water powered sysem on 0.5Amp!"An extract from the lecture given by Admiral Sir Anthony Griffin to the Maritime Division of the Southampton Institute, Warsash, UK, Sept. of 1993:
"Electrical power with opposite polarities is applied in pulses to the inner and outer cylinders and at a power of 10 watts, i.e. 5 volts at 2 amps. A considerable quantity of gas immediately accumulates in the top of the vessel and, within 10 seconds, reaches a pressure of about 10 pounds per square inch."
or . . . apply
"very high voltage (20,000+) pulses at a particular frequency, within positively and negatively charged voltage zones, at a very low current of less than 1 milliamp. The effect is ... the covalent bonds between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms are broken and the two gases separated."
Ronn Motors, Dennis Klein, Francisco Pacheco, Stanley Meyer,
Daniel Dingel and others have all done it with their designs
see the history of Water Powered Cars
Breaking News Release: Ronn Motor Company to Begin Field Training With Select AAMCO Dealers for the Installation of the Proprietary H2GO(TM) Hydrogen Injection System
Ronn Motor Company, Inc. announced today it will begin training in April 2009 for installation procedures for its proprietary H2GO(TM) hydrogen injection system at select AAMCO transmission locations in the Houston, Austin, Ft. Worth, New Orleans and Phoenix areas. Ronn Motors will be working closely with Doug Watkins, owner of four Houston franchises, and other AAMCO owners and association members. Together, they will finalize installation procedures and packaging for its real-time H2GO(TM) hydrogen injection system.
Ronn Maxwell, CEO of Ronn Motors, stated, "This will initiate a rapid roll out of our H2GO(TM) system across the nation through Frigette Energy System`s massive distribution network. We view this as the launching pad for H2GO(TM) to transcend the U.S., ultimately becoming a consumer must-have."
Doug Watkins, Owner of Drive Train Services Inc., a major franchisor of AAMCO Transmissions, commented, "AAMCO Transmissions currently has 915 locations nationwide with plans to open an additional 60 centers this year. While I cannot commit all 915 locations to installation, as we are individually owned and operated, I feel confident that working through the Owners Association, AAMCO could be one of the top performers in sales and installation for the H2GO(TM) systems."
Ronn Motors: The Scorpion
Unlike with a hydrogen fuel cell car, the Scorpion's "hydrogen on demand" system wouldn't require a high-pressure hydrogen storage tank. Nor would a driver need to find and fill up at a hydrogen fueling station.
Instead, electricity from the Scorpion's alternator sends an electric charge through the water in a storage tank, fracturing molecules and releasing hydrogen, which is injected into the motor, explained Ronn Maxwell, CEO of Ronn Motor in Horseshoe Bay, Texas.
[Suggestion, just build the cannister and enough parts of the controller to generate the ultra sound frequency. Then, getting it to work, build the rest of the controller]
Daniel Dingel has run his car(s) for a number of years totally on water, also Dennis Klein has run his car on water with and without a gasoline "supplement" -- His "water mileage" was about 25 miles per ounce without any gas supplement. He is working with the military and the state of Tennessee
One can also see the Orion Project's work on repeating Stanley Meyer's success
The text, below, sent from an anonymous individual was edited slightly for better reading. The following is his/her words and drawings, which has been given into the public domain.
Everyone should rt. click on the diagrams to view and download or print them, and also “cut and paste” the text they want into a file and, perhaps, print that also.
Spirit of Ma'at LLC
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It is suggested you try this out to begin with on a second vehicle you own, one that you don't need to live with everyday, until you perfect this technology.
In putting these plans into operation, you will be making use of your entire existing system except for the fuel tank and the catalytic converter.
The Plan
Build and install a low-cost alternative method for running your vehicle (internal combustion engine) on tap water, using off-the-shelf components.
This is supposed to be an efficient way to convert ordinary tap water into gaseous hydrogen and oxygen, and then burn these vapors in the engine, instead of gasoline.
This "minisystem" runs easily from your existing battery and electrical system, and it plugs into your carburetor [Fuel Injectors] with simple off-the-shelf fittings.
You will be installing a plastic water tank, a control circuit, a reaction chamber, a hi-pressure carb/FI fitting, and 3 gauges, and then hooking into your existing carb/FI. [Fuel Injectors]
The simplicity comes from its being an "on-demand" system requiring no fancy storage or plumbing. You crank the gas pedal or throttle, and you electrically [/sonicly] create more vapor for immediate consumption, on demand; low-high flow rate as needed, from idle to maximum power. The change is that you are using tap water as fuel, instead of the traditional petroleum-based fuel.
H2O --> H2 + O2
Frequently Asked Questions
Q: How does it qualify as "free energy"?
A: If you're paying someone for the water you use, then it is not strictly free. But it's close enough.
Q: Is it safe?
A: It is safer than running on fossil fuel. You are no longer choking on your own emissions (health-wise). You are no longer running the extreme risk of a gasoline fire or explosion! Additionally, you will be installing a few simple safety devices, using current automotive standards.
To put it another way, Hydrogen is just as explosive as Gasoline but nothing that is left over, does any harm to the environment: When hydrogen 'burns' it becomes pure water!
H2 + O2 --> H2O ( Technically, 2 molecules of hydrogen + 1 molecule of oxygen --> 2 molecules of water )
Q: What kind of performance can I expect?
A: Properly adjusted, your modified vapor-only fuel system will run cooler, and at a modestly higher power level. The mileage performance expected from this design ranges from 50-300 mpg (of water), depending on your adjusting skills.
Q: Can I do the modification myself?
A: Why not? If you don't have any mechanical skills, and you know someone with basic mechanical and/or electrical skills, you can even delegate some of the construction. If you are using a fuel-injected engine, you may have to get a mechanic's opinion. (There will have to be an adapter inserted into the fuel-injection system, just as you would have to do if you were going to run on propane, hydrogen, or natural gas. Spirit of Ma'at Ed.)
Q: What is the environmental impact that my vehicle will have?
A: It will be producing H20 (water vapor). Hence, it will be cleaning the environment, rather than dumping nauseous toxins into it. Plus you will be helping to save our dwindling supply of atmospheric oxygen. You can also help those around you do the same thing - as long as they have no stock in oil companies to protect - and don't threaten you.
Q: Isn't this really a steam engine?
A: No. Really. Exceedingly high temperature and pressure are not used. This is strictly an internal-combustion engine (burning hydrogen) with residual water-vapor (remember, the engine runs cooler than it did with gasoline) in the exhaust as a by-product.
Read This
There are a few things you should remember about gasoline:
Gasoline poisons the atmosphere and, it is very toxic and dangerous!
Gasoline versus Water
Most people are unaware that "internal combustion" is defined as "a thermo-vapor process" — as in "no liquid in the reaction." Most of the gasoline in a standard internal combustion engine is actually consumed, (cooked, and finally, broken down) in the catalytic converter after the fuel has been not-so-burnt in the engine. Sadly, this means that most of the fuel we use in this way is used only to cool down the combustion process, a pollution-ridden and inefficient means of doing that.
How It Works
Water is pumped as needed to replenish and maintain the liquid level in the chamber. The electrodes are vibrated with a 0.5-5A electrical pulse which breaks 2(H2O) => 2H2 + O2. When the pressure reaches say 30-60 psi, you turn the key and go. You step on the pedal, you send more energy to the electrodes, and thus more vapor to the cylinders; i.e. fuel vapor on demand.
You set the idle max-flow rate to get the most efficient use of power, and you're off to the races.
In the big picture, your energy is coming from the tap water in an open system, as the latent energy in the water is enough to power the engine and hence drive the alternator and whatever belt-driven accessories. And the alternator is efficient enough to run the various electrical loads (10 - 20 amps), including the additional low current to run this vapor reaction. No extra batteries are required.
the Stanley Meyer generator
The Orion Project is trying to buy his equipment and recreate Stan's success there are many youtube videos on several inventors who have succeeded: Daniel Dingel, from the Philippines (below) Read about and see Fox News broadcast from youtube (welding torch + car fuel): Denny Klein's hydrogen generator and hydrogen torch - in Clearwater, Florida read the article and patent on the Pacheco Generator |
electrical pulses, not electrolysisWhere normal water electrolysis requires the passage of current measured in amps, this cell achieves the same effect in milliamps. Furthermore, ordinary tap water requires the addition of an electrolyte such as sulphuric acid to aid current conduction with the standard electrolysis approach; these cells function at greatest efficiency with plain tap water. According to the witnesses, the most startling aspect of the Meyer cell was that it remained cold, even after hours of gas production. Meyer's experiments, which he seems to be able to perform to order, have earned him a series of US patents granted under Section 101. The granting of a patent under this section is dependent on a successful demonstration of the invention to a Patent Review Board. Meyer's cell seems to have many of the attributes of an electrolytic cell except that it functions at high voltage, low current rather than the other way around. Construction is unremarkable. The electrodes --- referred to as "excitors" by Meyer --- are made from parallel A witness team of independent UK scientifc observers testified that US inventor Stanley Meyer successfully decomposed ordinary tap water into constituent elements through a combination of high, pulsed voltage using an average current measured only in milliamps. Reported gas evolution was enough to sustain a hydrogen /oxygen flame which instantly melted steel. (How Denny Klein got started - see video) "We did notice that the water at the top of the cell slowly became discolored with a pale cream and dark brown precipitate, almost certainly the effects of the chlorine in the heavily chlorinated tap water..." ... "We clearly saw how increasing and decreasing the voltage is used to control gas production. We saw how gas generation ceased and then began again instantly as the voltage driving circuit was switched off and then on again." The use of a high voltage spike alone (1500 volts+), without the current being delivered through the liquid, will not cause the disassociation to take place. Once Stan's unit was made to begin breakdown (which takes 6 to 8 seconds) he was able to reduce both current and voltage to miniscule proportions. There are two primary frequencies that produce the best results. They are: 14,372 Hz and 43,430 Hz. The former is about 50% more efficient, but it seems that just about any frequency between 9 KHz and 143,762 KHz works quite well. (1) This is because the nature of the wave form ( a spike ) is rich in harmonics and one of them is bound to be close to one of the two primary frequencies. Meyer was apparently eating dinner at a Grove City OH restaurant, when it is reported that he jumped up from the table, yelled that he'd been poisoned", and rushed out into the parking lot, where he collapsed and died. Theives came a week later and stole the the dune buggy and all of his experimental equipment, according to his twin brother, Stephen. Stan said while he was alive, that he was threatened many times and would not sell out to Arab Oil Corp`s. The Military was going to use this technology in their tanks, jeeps, etc. He had patents on his invention and was ready for production. Only $1,500 to equip your car! See the Videos above. No gasoline, just water. Stanley said he was offered a billion dollars from an Arab to basically shelf his idea. Stan said, "No". |
plates of stainless steel placed in either flat or concentric arrangements. (see the washers, on the right, for the simplest method) Gas production seems to vary as the inverse of the distance between them; the patents suggest a spacing of 1.5 mm produces satisfactory results.STEP BY STEP CONSTRUCTION
OVERVIEW - Here is the suggested sequence of steps:
1. Install the CHT (or EGT) gauge and measure your current operating temp range (gasoline), for comparison.
2. Build and test the controller to verify the pulse output.
3. Build the reaction chamber and test it with the controller (i.e pressure out).
4. Install the tank, controller, chamber, and pressure fittings.
5. Run engine and adjust the control circuit as necessary for best performance.
6. Install stainless steel valves and get the pistons/cylinders coated with ceramic.
[editor's note: don't bother. Given Daniel Dingel (Stanley Meyer, Dennis Klein, ...) and all the other inventors and designs out there - none of them suggest or speak of it. Besides, get it working first.
Keep it simple.]
7. Dump the now pointless catalytic converter and, if your exaust pipe is
not stainless steel already, replace it with stainless steel pipe sections.
YOU WILL NEED
plastic water tank with pump and level sensor.
control circuit, wiring, connectors, and epoxy.
reaction chamber with electrodes and fittings.
3/8" stainless steel flex-tubing, fittings and clamps.
carb/FI vapor-pressure fitting kit. - pressure, CHT (or EGT), & level gauges.
stainless steel valves.
copper mesh junction.
ceramic surface treatment for cylinders & pistons.
stainless steel or ceramic treated exhaust assembly.
BASIC TOOLS
drill, screwdriver and pliers
hole cutter
wire-wrap, solder-iron and clippers
DVM and oscilloscope.
REACTION CHAMBER
Construct as shown in the diagram. Use a section of 4" PVC waste pipe with a threaded screw-cap fitting on one end and a standard end-cap at the other. Make sure to drill-and-epoxy or tap threads thru the PVC components for all fittings. Set and control the water level in the chamber so that it well submerses the pipe electrodes; yet leave some headroom to build up the hydrogen/oxygen vapor pressure. Use stainless steel wires inside the chamber (fig.s 2&5) or otherwise use a protective coating; use insulated wires outside. Ensure that the epoxy perfects the seal, or otherwise lay down a bead of water-proof silicone that can hold pressure.
The screw fitting may require soft silicone sealant, or a gasket; its purpose is to hold pressure and allow periodic inspection of the electrodes. No leaks, no problems. Make sure you get a symmetric 1-5mm gap between the 2 stainless steel pipes. The referenced literature suggests that the closer to 1mm you get, the better. You will want to get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.
Make your solder connections at the wire/electrode junctions nice, smooth, and solid; then apply a water-proof coating, e.g. the epoxy you use for joining the pipes to the screw cap. This epoxy must be waterproof and be capable of holding metal to plastic under pressure. You will want to get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.
CONTROL CIRCUIT
The diagrams show a simple circuit [to an electrician] to control and drive this mini-system. You are going to make a 'square-pulse' signal that 'plays' the electrodes like a tuning fork; which you can watch on an oscilloscope. The premise given by the literature is: the faster you want do go down the road, the 'fatter' you make the pulses going into the reaction chamber. Duty cycle will vary with the throttle in the vicinity of 90%MARK 10%SPACE (OFF/ON).
There is nothing sacred about how the pulse waveform is generated; there are many ways to generate pulses, and the attached diagrams show a few. The NE555-circuit approach (see diagrams) is from the referenced patent. The output switching transistor must be rated for 1-5 amps @ 12VDC (in saturation).
Go with a plan that works for you or your friendly neighborhood technoid or mechanic, and go get all the circuit elements from your local electronics store, such as Radio-Shack or Circuits-R-Us, including the circuit board, IC sockets, and enclosure/box.
DigiKey has better selection, service, and knowledge; plus they have no minimum order. Be sure to use a circuit board with a built-in ground plane, and to accommodate room for mounting 2 or 3 of the gauges. Mounting the reaction chamber in the engine compartment will require running a stub to your pressure gauge where you can watch it.
You can easily make 30-gauge wire-wrap connections between the socket pins and thru-hole discrete components having wire leads. Also make sure to get spec sheets on any IC you use. More details of the best circuits to use will be announced pending prototype testing. You will want to get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.
Throttle Control
If you have a throttle position sensor, you should be able to access the signal from the sensor itself OR from the computer connector. This signal is input to the circuit as the primary control (i.e. throttle level = pulse width = vapor rate).
If you don't have such a signal available, you will have to rig a rotary POT (variable resistor) to the gas linkage (i.e. coupled to something at the gas pedal or throttle cable running to the carb or FI. If you make the attachment at the carb/FI, be sure to use a POT that can handle the engine temp cycles. Don't use a cheezy-cheapy POT; get one rated for long life and mechanical wear; mount it securely to something sturdy and stationary that will not fall apart when you step on the gas.
Control Range. The full throttle RANGE (idle-max) MUST control the vapor rate, i.e. pulse-width (duty). The resistor values at the throttle signal must allow the throttle signal voltage, say 1-4 Volt swing, to drive the VAPOR RATE. You will be using this voltage swing to generate a 10% ON 'square' pulse. The patent implies using a 'resonant' pulse in the 10-250 KHz frequency range; but it is not explicitly stated so.
In this circuit, you will simply tune to whatever frequency makes the most efficient vapor conversion. You will have to get into the specs for each IC you use, to insure you connect the right pins to the right wires, to control the frequency and pulse width. You can use spare sockets to try out different discrete component values. Just keep the ones that are spec-compatible in the circuit, and get the job done.
You crank up the throttle signal and put more electrical energy (fatter pulses) into the electrodes; verify you can get 10% duty on the scope (2 - 100 usec on the horizontal time-base). Your averaging DVM will display the 90%-10% DC voltage across the output transistor (Vce or Vds or Output to Ground). Set and connect DVM in the supply current and measure .5 - 5 amps, without blowing the DVM fuse. Now verify that you got everything you wanted.
Verify your wiring connections using your DVM as a continuity detector. Check your wiring 1 at a time and yellow line your final schematic as you go. You can best use board-mount miniature POTs for anything you want to set-and-forget. The LEDs are there to give you a quick visual check of normal vs abnormal operation of your new creation. You will want to get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.
CARB/FI CONNECTION
The diagrams also show that fittings are required to the carb/FI l. There are ready-made kits (such as by Impco) available for making your pressure fittings to the carburetor or fuel-injector as the case may be. You will necessarily be sealing the built-in vents and making a 1-way air-intake.
The copper mesh comprises the inadvertent backfire' protection for the reaction chamber. Make sure that all vapor/duct junctions are air-tight and holding full pressure without leakage. Your new 'system' is considered successful and properly adjusted when you get the full power range at lower temp and minimum vapor flow without blowing the pressure safety valve.
CHT (or EGT)
Monitor your engine temp with the CHT (cylinder head temp) or EGT (exhaust gas temp) instead of your original engine temp indicator (if any). Your existing gauge is too slow for this application and will not warn you against overheating until after you have burnt something. Make sure that your engine runs no hotter than in the gasoline arrangement. VDO makes a CHT gauge with a platinum sensor that fits under your spark plug against the cylinder head (make sure it is really clean before you re-install your spark plug (as this is also an electrical ground).
ENGINE/EXHAUST TREATMENT
Get the valves replaced with stainless steel ones and get the pistons/cylinders ceramic-treated ASAP when you have successfully converted and run your new creation. Do not delay as these items will rust, either by sheer use or by neglect (i.e. letting it sit). You could make max use of your current exhaust system by using it with your new deal until it rusts through, then have your mechanic or welder friend to fit a stainless steel exhaust pipe (no catalytic converter is required). But it could be easier and cheaper to send your existing exhaust system out for the ceramic treatment, and then simply re-attach it to the exhaust ports.
GENERAL
1. Do not discard or remove any of the old gasoline setup components, e.g. tank, carb/FI, catalytic converter, unless necessary. Better to always leave an easy way to revert back to something that at least runs, just in case. Some people are leaving their gasoline setup completely intact, and switching back and forth at will, just to have a backup plan.
2. Set your throttle circuit so that you get minimum vapor flow at idle, and maximum vapor flow at full power without blowing the pressure relief valve. In this way, you control how 'lean' your mixture is by the strength of the pulse (i.e. "fatness" at the optimum pulse frequency).
3. If you just don't get enough power (at any throttle setting), it means that you need to (1) change the pulse frequency, (2) change the gap between the electrodes, (3) change the size (bigger) electrodes, or (4) make a higher output pulse voltage (last resort). Always use an output transistor, such as a MOSFET, that is rated for the voltage and current you need to get the job done. OK so you might have to play around with it some. Isn't that where all the Fun is anyhow?
4. If you get any engine knock our loud combustions (not compensated by adjusting the timing), it means that you need to install an additional coil in the chamber, and drive the coil with an additional pulse signal (about 19 Hz on the .1sec time base). Here, you will be slowing down the burn rate just enough so that the vapors burn thru out the power stroke of the piston. Be sure to include a board-mount POT to set the correct strength of this 2nd pulse signal into the coil. This is a stainless steel coil of about 1500 turns (thin wire) that you can arrange like a donut around the center pipe (but NOT touching either electrode), directly over the circular 1-5mm gap. You want no knocking at any power/throttle setting; smooth power only, but also no excess hydrogen leftover from the combustion.
5. Build the canister(s) as tall as you can without compromising your ability to mount them conveniently near the dash panel, or in the engine compartment, as the case may be. This way, you can always make the electrodes bigger, if necessary without undue hardship. Remember that anything in the engine compartment should be mounted in a bullet-proof, vibration and temperature tolerant fashion.
6. If you have to drill a thru-hole for wiring or plumbing thru metal, make sure to also install a grommet for protection against chafing. Always watch your chamber pressure range from IDLE (15-25 psi) - FULL POWER (30-60 psi). Set your safety-pressure relief-valve to 75 psi and make sure it's rated for much higher.
7. Shut OFF the power switch and pull over if there is any malfunction of the system. Your engine will last longest when it still develops FULL POWER+ at some minimum temperature that we are sure you can find, by leaning back the Royal Vapor Flow and/or by making use of the water-vapor cooling technique. Keep good mpg performance records, and periodic maintenance/inspection. Keep it clean; save some money; clean the air; heal the planet; happy motoring; tell a friend; enjoy your freedom and self-empowerment.
8. There lacks documented material for perfecting this vapor system thru a fuel injector; there may be some details you will discover on your own as working prototypes progress. For example, you may be restricted to inject the hydrogen/oxygen vapor without any water vapor, as it may rust the injectors. If engine temp and CHT is a problem, then you will want to re-think your plan, e.g. ceramic-coating the injectors. There is always "replacing the FI system with a Carb."
9. If you install the water-vapor system (for lower operating temp/stress), you will want to lean the mixture (vapor/air) for minimum vapor flow rate to achieve any given throttle position (idle - max). Make sure that you get a minimum flow for IDLE and a modestly sufficient flow for MAX, that does the cooling job without killing the combustion.
10. If you cannot find stainless steel pipe combinations that yield the 1-5mm gap, you can always regress back to alternating plates of +/- electrodes.
11. If you are concerned about the water freezing in your system, you can (a) add some 98% isopropyl alcohol and re-adjust the pulse frequency accordingly; or (b) install some electric heating coils.
REFERENCES
*Stephen Chambers 'Apparatus for Producing Orthohydrogen and/or
*Parahydrogen' US Patent 6126794, uspto.gov
*Stanley Meyer 'Method for the Production of a Fuel Gas' US Patent 4936961,
*spto.gov
*Creative Science & Research, 'Fuel From Water', fuelless.com
*Carl Cella "A Water-Fuelled Car" Nexus Magazine Oct-Nov 1996
*Peter Lindemann "Where in the World is All the Free Energy", free-energy.cc
*George Wiseman "The Gas-Saver and HyCO Series" eagle-research.com
*C. Michael Holler "The Dromedary Newsletter" and "SuperCarb Techniques"
*Stephen Chambers "Prototype Vapor Fuel System" xogen.com
Variable Pulse Controllers
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We have not checked it out beyond the home page, but the panacea-bocaf.org
web site seems to be trying also to freely provide information on how to build your own - or pay as little as possible - for a hydrogen generator.
many more videos:
UTube videos on building your own water to hydrogen generator / HHO Water Fuel
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From my experience, Para-hydrogen will not produce results. It has to be Orth-hydrogen, produced by a Pulse Width Modulator. Also I am having trouble with "cold steam" water vapor. I suspect the hydroge/oxygen molecule is getting back together soon after it is split in the electrolyzer??? Need to use that Egas right away!
I would like to become a member of a group. Please reply.
Thank you. Bob
Bob, It does appear that we may have a group forming here. You, Shanthrajk maybe, John, Kenneth, Keith, Dan, Vijendra, Darren, Calvin maybe, ... and others. If everyone will report their progress along the way. We may have something.
- editor
sir ineed disining of electrolozor what type of mettal to make i am india please give me detail
How about "whatever is cheap and easy to work with." "Keep it simple." Best Wishes -editor
Everything has me excited, I went thru my inventory of old cars, and my 1987 Toyota Tercel appears to be my future hydrogen car,(good running car) of course everything in moderation, I like everything spelled out on the drawing board, but when reality sets in, usually, after the final shop drawings are complete, I am ready to see how the hydrogen generator will work on my car, I think your explanation on how this system works on a car, seems precise, right on the button. If my results would fail, it would be because of my anxiety, therefore, I wish to go thru a calm filtering process where I don't have so many irons in the fire. I will try to first try a small step, by taking a seringe and entering it into the air hose, I know that is not the formula, But I will try by using a small ratio proportion to your design, and step up the formula as needed, success to you sir.
Dear Sir
I have been working on Hydrogen gas engines for a number of years. yet we all know now that it is a very efficient way to run an engine of any size. and it is sort of becoming more accepted within the general public. One would think. The proof is out there that it works. Yet I am having great difficulty in getting a University and an Inverness Councillor to believe that it works. You see I have designed a rotary engine that I believe is far more efficient that the common four stroke. ie less moving parts, less fuel, less resistance. More power for less of everything including cost. its much cheaper to buy and to run. I need someone to actually build one for me so that I can prove that it does what it says it does. Though they can see it they still don't believe it WHY. I would appreciate your reply. to
kentcip [at] yahoo.co.uk
all the best
Kenneth R Taylor
Project Design Engineer
I admit that I thought "water-powered cars" was a myth, a joke, till I started reading seriously about it. Most people still do. They don't know about Ronn Motors, Dennis Klein, Francisco Pacheco, Stanley Meyer, and Daniel Dingel.
Your invention is another subject. You need to find a custom machine shop. Someone who can build a simple, crude(?), small(?), prototype for a price you can afford. One that would power a motor cycle or a go-cart. ... one that will prove your claims ... and convert the disbelievers.
-editor
I am very interested in this and would like to try building one myself but one you do not have a material list that i could find, second could you make this a download pdf for us to print out and have the diagrams on hand during the build. other than that very nice site and design ty.
Everyone should rt. click to view and download or print the diagrams, and also "cut and paste" the text they want into a file and, perhaps, print that also. Thank you for mentioning it. -editor
There are increasingly more on board hydrogen systems available out there. I bought one for too much money and still haven't been able to get much in fuel savings but I haven't given up. My problem now is hydrogen production. The electrolyte method is inconsistent and seems to need a lot of maintenance. I'm going to start thinking about the pulse method and try to implement it on my current system.
Keep the faith and fight the good fight.
Dan
I went through your website it caught my eyes that you are running your car on 100% on hydrogen, nice to know that, I want to know how you manage to inject hydrogen into the engine, and what units are applied, kindly let me know about this please cause I'm trying to make one for my self.
Very thanks to you,
V.Prakash
Thanks. There are easy / cheap ways to tap into the intake. Think there is a video on one. Check YouTube. We will try to find and add one here. -editor
Thank you for this site. Do you know if there is someone in Hawaii in particular in Honolulu that has done the retrofit or is currently working on one?
I would like to contact them to see if I can work with them.
Thank you
Don't know of anyone. Anyone from Honolulu out there? -editor
firstly i like this and plan on using this idea when i build me a dunebuggy.....thnx for the info, and ill post as i need help or have a running vehicle ... keep up the good work ... could use some photos on the build step by step.
We are dependant on readers like you for your photos. Please submit them.
However, for anyone building a dune buggy, we suggest that they don't put a noisy, polluting, gasoline engine in it. For example, Paul “Neon” Gooch had one and converted it to electric saying "The results were fantastic". See his page on it.
Whatever you do, Good luck
-editor
The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it.
-Chinese Proverb
Yes, like Ronn Motors, Dennis Klein, Daniel Dingel, Francois Isaac de Rivaz (Paris, December 19, 1752 — Sion, July 30, 1828), ... etc. -editor
As a knowledgeable electrical engineer, I think it is a shame that those of you who know better are propagating this nonsense. While I have no doubt that there are persons on this blog who truly do not have a basic understanding of high school physics, those of you with any science background must know that these systems cannot possibly function as stated.
While it is certainly accurate to state that the Hydrogen and Oxygen bond of water can be broken through the circulation of direct electrical current, simple laws of thermodynamics can explain why such a system connected to an automobiles alternator cannot possibly produce enough hydrogen to run the engine at the same time.
First of all the average internal combustion engine (most automobile engines) sold in the US is less that 20% thermally efficient. Thus 80% of the energy in the fuel (gasoline or hydrogen) is not transferred to the propulsion system of the automobile, but rather is transferred to the surrounding air through the radiator and other heat emitting surfaces.
Secondarily it simply takes more energy, using electricity, to break the molecular bond between the Hydrogen and Oxygen molecules than can be regained through burning.
Finally if you were to run an internal combustion engine, with no automobile attached and simply used the hydrogen to power nothing other that the engine for the sole purpose of running the alternator to produce Hydrogen the system would still not work.
In conclusion, I will be happy to debate this subject, in a civil manner with anyone who truly is willing to approach the subject in an analytical and scientific manner. For those of you out there who either do not believe or understand my analysis, simply ask yourself: If any person could produce a system capable of running an automobile on water? A: Why are they not the richest person on earth, and B: Why would we still be discussing “Global Warming” or “Dependence on Foreign Oil?”
I hope this saves at least one of you from wasting your money.
Cheers, Wilhelm Napier EE
You claim to be an electrical engineer but do not even mention the electrical diagrams here, nor appreciate the fact that with this information and the price of a few parts, anyone can build one for themselves, without spending a lot of money, which is the point of this page. As opposed to the many web sites out there making a living off people, selling their cheap components at high prices.
And if that were not incentive enough, consider how Enron shamelessly ripped off every citizen of Calif. to a total in the $billions(!), with Bush and Cheney in the Whitehouse, helping them, and today, every oil co. shamelessly spending millions to maintain world demand for their toxic polluting product which they are running out of - and lie about it - as prices climb and businesses fold.
-editor
i don t know if this would be a reason why daniel dingel may have not used ceramic in the engine but he says the gas must be cooled before going to the combustion chamber. when he was not yet using a -bubbler-(maybe or any system for the purpose), the engine was getting damaged.
I am unaware of his saying gas "must be cooled before going to the combustion chamber"
Most, if not all, say engines run cooler with water, hydrogen, added. The exaust, coming out, is cooler.
Can anyone reference a web site link to his using a bubbler? What bubbler and what damage?
I did discover a note that he did have a problem with rust at first, but he overcame it.
-editor
see full page on Daniel Dingel
10-26-2008
I would first like to say I am extremely glad to find all the information and links you good Ameicans post for use by 'We the People'. Thank you for taking a stand. I support your cause 100% and would like to see a working group form in my area. I am working to build an HHO generator to power a V-8 truck. Can anyone tell me, approximately, what the HHO supply requirements for a say 350 cubic inch engine is? It of course would be extremely helpfull to know idle through say 4,000 RPM.
Eric J.
Pensacola, FL
Eric,
From the information here on Daniel Dingle, Denny Klein, and others, it is clear that it varies. Some designs are more efficient than others.
It will be good to see photos and results from a few who have built them - ed.
07/22/2008
dear sir!
i will be very thankful if u give me some information. i have seen a diagram of hydroegn convertor in ur website. can u tell me; will it work with baking soda or without? also if u send me more detailed diagrams with easy instructions i will be very thankful to u.
kashif
Everything is on this page. - ed.
7-14-2008
Hey Guys,
Could you tell me if the folowing is actually the case or not? I THINK I FIGURED OUT WHY STANLEY MEYERS GENERATOR HAD A BUNCH OF SMALL CONCENTRIC STAINLESS STEEL PIPES IN IT, AS SHOWN IN THE ONE VIDEO!!
My plans say to put 2 large 3.5" S.S. pipes, concentric in the generator, with the .5 -1.5mm gaps between, simply because it is simpler and it fits in the 4" cpvc pipes. Stanley made that one generator with the bunch(~7) of smaller pipes concentric(can't be seen in video), because it doubles the surface area between the electrodes. This of course would alter the perfect frequency, but, may increase the production of the E Gas so much that it doesn't matter so much for most cars. Thus enabled, most cars should have no problem producing enough to run with no gasoline at all. You have to make a "rack" of parallel connected small S.S. tubes(pipes)(anode), that when lowered into the generator into or over another set (electrode) of parallel connected slightly different sized tubes creates a system of maybe 7 inner/outer (electrodes/anodes) still within the containment of the 4" cpvc and beneathe the doughnut ferrite coil. The racked system of multiple electrode/anode tubes in parallel, carefully made and set with ~1.5 mm gapping, so that they will not touch and short like the plates of a battery, when minimally powered, induce slow electrolysis, BUT, primarily simply align more molecules of water for rapid dis-association by high frequency radio waves of your coil. You can calculate the increase in surface area of your new tubular plates from the top view dimension of the small pipe circles(cross sections) circumferences. Just say they are ~1" cross sections, 7 X circumference = 7 x 3.14 inches = 22 inches of tube surface, still the same height (10") as compared to the 3.5" diam S.S. pipe, with 3.5 X 3.14 = 11" of tube surface, 10" in height. If production of E gas is doubled at peak, THAT is very significant.
Hey, I could be wrong, but I can't get it out of my head why the electrode/anode electrolysis set up is needed if the water is dis-associated by the radio waves. To me, it can only mean that the electrolysis set-up is necessary for alignment of the molecules, to enhance the ability of the radio frequencies to break the bonds. A larger gap may be okay also with this rack of tubes. The radio waves are shot down all the pipes inducing electrolysis with the high energy pulses.
DAMMIT JIM!, I'M NOT AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER.-Bones
Deadmano
7-10-2008
Dear Editor,
I've been watching with keen interest, the progress of these hydrogen devices Sounds to me like we are on the brink of an energy revolution, and I do not want to wait much longer to participate in this revolution. I have several friends that are interested in the same technology. I would appreciate any information that you could provide.
Many thanks,
Ronald J. Joachim
Ron,
Our whole page here is about passing on to you all the information we can come up with.
Wish us both luck.
Agreed. We all need it asap!
EX: today there was a news item on the channel 10 Miami TV station.
7-09-2008
Dear Sir/Madam, I would like to enquiry the hydrogen engine system can use for the car. How much is cost for per of unit.
Cos I am in Vietnam, haven't got all the things you have - I do not know how to set up. If it possible, we can ship to Vietnam in 40ft container of your product. I look forward to your advice. Thank you.
Kind regards, Michael Pham
This is a "build it yourself" project, not an unknown product for sale. Hope you can get the parts over there, or order them. - Editor
curious if you had planned to add pics of the build process from begining to end for the hydrogen generator?
- david newcomer
Love the content of your website, so it's cool. "Simply amazing," is all I could say. What is even more dumbfounding is that this technology is resurfacing today.
Sincerely,
Kenneth Segovia
Dear editor,
please advise me, in indonesia I can't find IFR 510 and TC4420CPA, could you give me solution another component or something that could work likely IFR 510 and TC4420CPA
Regards
Johnny
June 8th 2008
Great site! This diagram you sent me is almost the same as the D14.PDF file, simply the components are arranged differently, so it looks different.
Also, my website PWMPOWER.COM gets about 1.2 Million visitors a week, so we are VERY busy in the ship. Now we do not charge until the PWMs ship, so the only complaint [we] should get is "they take too long" which is true when you have over 100+ orders waiting to be built, and only 7 guys in the shop building them.
Thank you for the email.
Dave Lawton
P.S. There is a very simple way to doing this WHOLE water powered sysem on 0.5Amp!
{editor's note: the D14.PDF file can be found all over the internet though the creator of the D14 document claims copywright protection. -NOTE: Unfortunately, both 1 of Dave's designs and the D14 use 555's which are crude timers and various random diods. What we have from ma'at uses 1 NE555. Bad Enough. We can redesign our diagram and simplify it and, perhaps, program it so that it will be more efficient, accurate, cheaper, and much easier to build.} "stay tuned".
on your hydrogen generator page you have a video by Dave Lawton that shows a electrical schematic. Would you have a clear image of it. It is to blurry to read.
Thank You
Mark Marshik
We have written to Dave Lawton (below) and hope to get a readable copy of his pulse-width-modulator diagram.
- editor
How can I get the plans and diagrams to build the hydrogen generator? - Clark Ladner
Ed: "the info. is all being put on this page."
5-24-2008
I was wondering if you had detailed plans to create the circuits (part number, component names and reference numbers as i am really interested to build a few of theses units.
Thanks to take the time to reply to this request.
Ed: the info. is all being put on this page.
Someone was looking for the TC4420's. They can actually be gotten straight from "microchip" (www.microchip.com) as a free sample
- Shawn Moore
I'm impressed with the hydrogen generator, but have one question; why do I need to replace my valves with stainless and ceramic coat my cylinders? - Michael
[editor's note: don't bother. Daniel Dingel has been running his car on plain water for 30 years (no gas at all) and seems very unlikely to have done anything that extreme. See 2 videos above.]
Having done some research on the control circuit , I am having trouble finding some of the components; the MOSFET and MOSFET Driver, and the CD4069.
Do you know where I could find these components?
P.S. I found references to "Digi-Key" Thats were I'm getting most of my other components that I don't have right now.
Jeff Schrader